Barbara Noble
- Yes, date unknown
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| Christian SIM | |
| B: | May 1733 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 4 May 1797 |
| Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire,Scotland | |
| William SIM | |
| B: | May 1736 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| William Sim | |
| B: | 5 Oct 1790 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 18 Feb 1869 |
| Pennan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| James Sim | |
| B: | 27 Dec 1794 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Jean Sim | |
| B: | 14 Dec 1797 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Jean Sim | |
| B: | 5 Sep 1833 |
| Pitsligo,Aberdeen,Scotland | |
| George Sim Broomie | |
| B: | 23 Apr 1836 |
| William Robert Sim | |
| B: | 15 Dec 1890 |
| Mitchell, Maranoa Region, Queensland, Australia | |
| D: | 18 Oct 1917 |
| Passchendaele, Ypres, Belgium | |
| Arthur John Sim | |
| B: | 8 May 1893 |
| Mitchell, Maranoa Region, Queensland, Australia | |
| D: | 18 Oct 1917 |
| Passchendaele, Ypres, Belgium | |
| George Sim | |
| B: | 6 Aug 1864 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 10 Jun 1933 |
| South Australia, Australia | |
| Christian Sim (nee Strachan) | |
| B: | 1865 |
| M: | 9 Apr 1886 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 4 Oct 1939 |
| St Peters, City of Norwood Payneham & St Peters, South Australia, Australia | |
| Ann Sim | |
| B: | 19 Jun 1866 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Isabella Sim | |
| B: | 21 Jul 1868 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Mary Crawford Noble West | |
| B: | 22 Jun 1917 |
| Macduff, Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 7 Apr 1996 |
| Palm Springs, Riverside, California, USA | |
| William George West | |
| B: | 24 Jun 1919 |
| Yoker, Scotland | |
| D: | 26 Jun 1976 |
| San Francisco, San Francisco, California, USA | |
| Monica Gertrude West (nee Melia) | |
| B: | 8 Dec 1914 |
| Borrisokane, Tipperary, Ireland | |
| M: | 1944 |
| Hendon, Middlesex, England | |
| D: | 6 Dec 1997 |
| Berkeley, Alameda, California, USA | |
| Dolina Gunn West | |
| B: | 10 Aug 1921 |
| Yoker, Glasgow, Scotland | |
| D: | 10 Jan 2000 |
| San Mateo, California, USA | |
| Douglas Glenn West | |
| B: | 5 Jan 1954 |
| California, USA | |
| D: | 3 Aug 2005 |
| London, England | |
| Harry West | |
| B: | 29 Jan 1927 |
| New York, United States | |
| D: | 2 Jan 1974 |
| San Diego, California, USA | |
| Myrna Arlene West (nee Myers) | |
| B: | 16 Sep 1929 |
| California, USA | |
| M: | 22 Oct 1950 |
| San Francisco, California, United States | |
| D: | 2 Jan 2000 |
| California, USA | |
| William West | |
| B: | 18 Nov 1891 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 24 Apr 1960 |
| San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States | |
| Mary Elizabeth Noble West (nee Bothwell) | |
| B: | 11 Nov 1893 |
| Redhill, UK | |
| M: | 22 Feb 1917 |
| Macduff, Scotland | |
| D: | 15 May 1972 |
| Thermal, Riverside, California, USA | |
| George Sim West | |
| B: | 4 Feb 1926 |
| Yonkers, Westchester County, New York, USA | |
| D: | 11 Mar 1989 |
| Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA | |
| George Sim West | |
| B: | 17 Feb 1894 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 14 Nov 1958 |
| Philadelphia, PA | |
| Marion McIndeor | |
| B: | 18 Feb 1894 |
| Scotland | |
| M: | 21 Feb 1925 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 1970 |
| Margaret West Cameron | |
| B: | 11 Oct 1914 |
| Glasgow, Scotland | |
| D: | 26 Jul 1999 |
| Donald Cameron | |
| B: | 3 Jun 1947 |
| D: | 11 Jul 2015 |
| South Elgin, IL | |
| Hugh McIndeor Cameron | |
| B: | 9 Mar 1916 |
| Glasgow, Scotland | |
| D: | 3 Nov 1975 |
| Elgin, Cook County, Illinois, USA | |
| Mildred Jeannette Cooper | |
| B: | 15 Apr 1916 |
| Cortland, Gage County, Nebraska, United States | |
| D: | 23 Apr 2000 |
| Bruce William Cameron | |
| D: | 6 Jan 1958 |
| Geneva, IL, USA | |
| William Duthie West Cameron | |
| B: | 20 May 1918 |
| Glasgow, Scotland | |
| D: | 16 Apr 2011 |
| Geneva, IL | |
| Florence Gertrude Piersma | |
| B: | 15 Jun 1923 |
| Blue Island, IL, USA | |
| M: | 30 Oct 1948 |
| Blue Island, IL | |
| D: | 21 Aug 2013 |
| Stewart Duthie West | |
| B: | 14 May 1926 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 15 Nov 2001 |
| Dania, Broward, Florida, USA | |
| Anna Mary Smith | |
| B: | 1919 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 2009 |
| Eve Gates | |
| M: | 14 Apr 1973 |
| Miami-Dade, Florida, USA | |
| Alexander Campbell, Jr | |
| B: | 1 Jan 1958 |
| Hamilton, Ontario, Canada | |
| D: | 29 Jun 2022 |
| Elgin, Moray, Scotland | |
| Zaida Cecelia Campbell | |
| B: | 1953 |
| Hamilton, Ontario, Canada | |
| D: | 2019 |
| Florida, USA | |
| Elizabeth West | |
| B: | 30 Dec 1927 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 11 Mar 2012 |
| Lhanbryde, Moray, Scotland | |
| Alexander Campbell | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Margareth Wallace West | |
| B: | 26 Jun 1895 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 1940 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
Hugh Cameron
1893-1966
| Hugh Cameron | |
| B: | 24 Dec 1893 |
| Port Weemyss, Scotland | |
| M: | 26 Jun 1914 |
| Hamilton Memorial United Free Church, Clydebank | |
| D: | Jul 1966 |
| Margaret Sim Parker | |
| B: | 19 Oct 1921 |
| Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 28 Aug 2012 |
| Gladys Parker | |
| B: | 16 Apr 1923 |
| Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 27 Feb 1992 |
| Evan James Milford | |
| B: | 8 Mar 1955 |
| Niskayuna, New York | |
| D: | 29 Nov 2009 |
| Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, United States | |
| Barbara Ann Parker | |
| B: | 6 Jun 1930 |
| Poughkeepsie, Dutchess, New York, United States | |
| D: | 29 Jul 2003 |
| Oklahoma City, OK. | |
| Richard Evan Milford | |
| B: | Abt 16 Apr 1928 |
| Alton, Madison, Illinois, USA | |
| M: | 24 Feb 1951 |
| Schenectady, New York, United States | |
| D: | 22 Oct 2011 |
| Warr Acres, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, USA | |
| Phoebe Georgina West | |
| B: | 27 Jul 1897 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 11 Nov 1958 |
| Niskayuna, Schenectady, New York, USA | |
| Arthur George Parker | |
| B: | 12 Feb 1893 |
| Poplar, Tower Hamlets, London, England, United Kingdom | |
| M: | 2 Apr 1920 |
| Yoker, Renfrewshire, Scotland | |
| D: | May 1983 |
| Schenectady, Schenectady, New York, United States | |
| Russel Cook | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Anna Berrie (nee Cuthbert) | |
| B: | 3 Nov 1924 |
| Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States | |
| D: | 2 Apr 2006 |
| Glasgow, Ayrshire, Scotland | |
| Henry Millington | |
| B: | 25 Apr 1919 |
| County Durham, England, United Kingdom | |
| M: | 5 Nov 1941 |
| Stirling, Stirlingshire, UK | |
| D: | 14 Apr 1943 |
| Tunisia, North Africa | |
| Sverre Bødtker | |
| B: | 21 Aug 1959 |
| Bergen, Norway | |
| D: | 15 Apr 2008 |
| Bergen, Norway | |
| Marit Karin Kjellevold (nee Nilsen) | |
| B: | 17 Nov 1949 |
| D: | 3 Jan 2024 |
| Bergen, Hordaland, Norway | |
| Rigmor Alfhild Johansen | |
| B: | 23 Aug 1941 |
| Torsken, Troms, Norge | |
| D: | 17 Feb 2020 |
| Ole Marius Granhaug | |
| B: | 23 Apr 1995 |
| Lørenskog, Akershus, Norway | |
| D: | 27 Apr 2013 |
| Kløfta, Akershus, Norway | |
| Silje Granhaug | |
| B: | 7 Aug 1997 |
Unknown
| Arvid Johan Nilsen | |
| B: | 22 Dec 1945 |
| Voss, Hordaland, Norway | |
| D: | 24 Sep 2020 |
| Anne Johanne Wattø | |
| B: | 11 Aug 1945 |
| Ålesund, Møre og Romsdal, Norway | |
| M: | 16 Oct 1968 |
| Ålesund, Møre og Romsdal, Norway | |
| D: | 2 Apr 2022 |
| Akershus Universitetssykehus, Lørenskog, Norway | |
| Anne Beth Nilsen | |
| B: | 30 Jul 1964 |
| D: | 8 Aug 1964 |
| Haugesund Sjukehus Helse Fonna, Haugesund, Haugesund, Rogaland, Norway | |
| Edvard Leonhard Pettersen | |
| B: | 17 May 1921 |
| Voss, Hordaland, Norway | |
| M: | 12 Feb 1944 |
| Callander, Perthshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 2 Jun 1983 |
| Laksevåg, Bergen, Hordaland, Norway | |
Unknown
| Peter Berrie, Jr | |
| B: | 17 Nov 1950 |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Sheila Cherry (nee Berrie) | |
| B: | 30 Nov 1953 |
| Romford, Greater London, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 30 Nov 2007 |
| Irvine, North Ayrshire, Scotland | |
| William Berrie | |
| D: | 11 Aug 2023 |
| Alan Berrie, Sr | |
| B: | 21 Apr 1955 |
| Ipswich, Hertfordshire, England | |
| D: | 7 Dec 2014 |
| Irvine, North Ayrshire, Scotland | |
| John Trice | |
| B: | 28 Sep |
| Patricia Berrie | |
| D: | 2020 |
| Peter Fenton Berrie | |
| B: | 1 Oct 1923 |
| Stirling, UK | |
| M: | Mellom juli 1950 og Sep 1950 |
| St Pancras, London, England | |
| D: | 16 Aug 1993 |
| Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England | |
| Stewart Duthie West | |
| B: | 14 May 1926 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 15 Nov 2001 |
| Dania, Broward, Florida, USA | |
| Anna Mary Smith | |
| B: | 1919 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 2009 |
| Eve Gates | |
| M: | 14 Apr 1973 |
| Miami-Dade, Florida, USA | |
| Alexander Campbell, Jr | |
| B: | 1 Jan 1958 |
| Hamilton, Ontario, Canada | |
| D: | 29 Jun 2022 |
| Elgin, Moray, Scotland | |
| Zaida Cecelia Campbell | |
| B: | 1953 |
| Hamilton, Ontario, Canada | |
| D: | 2019 |
| Florida, USA | |
| Elizabeth West | |
| B: | 30 Dec 1927 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 11 Mar 2012 |
| Lhanbryde, Moray, Scotland | |
| Alexander Campbell | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Helen Cuthbert-West | |
| B: | Between Jun 1930 and Jul 1930 |
| D: | 1993 |
| Stewart Duthie West | |
| B: | 3 Jan 1899 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 18 Feb 1968 |
| Tampa, Hillsborough, Florida, USA | |
| Elizabeth Bennet Cuthbert | |
| B: | 22 Jul 1899 |
| Clydebank, West Dunbartonshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 22 Jan 1963 |
| 45 Jean Armour Drive, Clydebank, Dunbartonshire, Scotland | |
| Georg John Joyce | |
| B: | 23 Mar 1951 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | Aug 1959 |
| Gordon Dana Murray | |
| B: | 1955 |
| D: | 2019 |
| Gloria Wade (nee West) | |
| B: | 6 Jun 1931 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 16 Feb 1994 |
| Lutz, Hillsborough, Florida, USA | |
| George Joseph Joyce | |
| B: | 25 Mar 1929 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| M: | 17 Apr 1950 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 25 Dec 2004 |
| Patterson, New York, USA | |
| Robert Edward Wade | |
| B: | 23 Mar 1933 |
| D: | 20 Jun 1988 |
| Thomas Hollister | |
| B: | 17 Jun 1954 |
| D: | Abt 2016 |
| Isabella West | |
| B: | 20 Sep 1932 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 10 Feb 2001 |
| Florida, USA | |
| George Edward Hollister | |
| B: | 17 Feb 1934 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| M: | 1956 |
| Bronx, New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 14 Sep 1995 |
| Newtown, Fairfield, Connecticut, USA | |
| Paul Truman Billingsley | |
| B: | 27 Nov 1930 |
| Cookville, Tennessee, USA | |
| D: | 9 Jul 2011 |
| Winter Haven, Polk, Florida, USA | |
| John West | |
| B: | 11 Mar 1935 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 23 May 1987 |
| Tampa, Hillsborough, Florida, USA | |
Unknown
| Renee Giacomo (nee West) | |
| B: | Abt 1938 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 21 Oct 2013 |
| New Jersey, USA | |
| Antonio Aja | |
| B: | 18 Mar 1960 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 17 Jan 2019 |
| Las Vegas, Nevada, USA | |
| Gabino Aja West | |
| B: | 30 May 1961 |
| Coyoacán, Federal District, Mexico | |
| D: | 17 Jun 1961 |
| Coyoacán, Federal District, Mexico | |
Unknown
| Mary Cheetam | |
| B: | 18 Feb 1915 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| M: | 7 Nov 1930 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 1998 |
| Tampa, Hillsborough, Florida, USA | |
| Jeannie Reid | |
| B: | 9 Nov 1900 |
| Gardenstown, Gamrie, Banffshire, Scotland | |
| M: | 2 Jan 1920 |
| Yoker, Scotstoun & Yoker, Renfrewshire, Scotland | |
| D: | Glasgow, Glasgow City, Scotland, United Kingdom |
| Wilbur Eugene Ross | |
| B: | 13 May 1930 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 28 Nov 1994 |
| Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey, USA | |
| Wanda M Kowalski | |
| B: | 16 May 1934 |
| D: | 21 Oct 2013 |
| Ruth Ann Westerfield Ward | |
| B: | 21 Jun 1891 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 2 Mar 1944 |
| Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey, USA | |
| Isabella Sim West | |
| B: | 12 Sep 1901 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 22 Apr 1980 |
| Riverside, California, United States | |
| Barbara Cuthbert | |
| B: | 18 Aug 1926 |
| Chicago, IL, USA | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Barbara Ann Hunter Cuthbert (nee West) | |
| B: | 6 Sep 1902 |
| Clydebank, West Dunbartonshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 1 Sep 1974 |
| Reseda, Los Angeles, California, USA | |
| Clement Cuthbert | |
| B: | 17 Mar 1903 |
| Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland | |
| M: | 20 Jun 1925 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 15 May 1975 |
| Reseda, Los Angeles, California, USA | |
| Karen Gardiner | |
| B: | 15 Nov 1960 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Mary Gibson West | |
| B: | 9 Oct 1926 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| D: | 7 Nov 1995 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| Charles Augustus Gardiner | |
| B: | 11 Dec 1923 |
| M: | 15 Apr 1950 |
| D: | 22 Sep 2013 |
| Susan Rae West | |
| B: | 6 Sep 1956 |
| D: | 7 Jan 2005 |
| Henry Watt West, Jr. | |
| B: | 4 Aug 1928 |
| Yonkers West, New York | |
| D: | 31 Dec 1995 |
| Yonkers, Yorktown Heights, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| Jo Ann Riccio | |
| B: | 12 Mar 1931 |
| M: | 3 Jul 1955 |
| D: | 2 Jan 1996 |
| Montrose, New York, USA | |
| Henry Watt West | |
| B: | 27 Apr 1905 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 2 Feb 1958 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| Rachel Elliott | |
| B: | 22 Jul 1896 |
| Johnstone, Paisley Abbey, Renfrewshire, Scotland | |
| M: | 1 Apr 1925 |
| New York City, New York, USA | |
| D: | 15 Aug 1982 |
| Santa Clara, California, United States | |
| Margaret West (nee Wallace Sim) | |
| B: | 30 Jun 1870 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 27 May 1934 |
| Yonkers, Westchester, New York, USA | |
| William Duthie West | |
| B: | 30 May 1867 |
| Pennan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| M: | 7. okt 1890 |
| Rosehearty Free Church, Rosehearty, Aberdeenshire,Scotland | |
| D: | 29 Oct 1931 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |
Unknown
Unknown
| Charles Wallace Sim | |
| B: | 2 Aug 1872 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Phoebe Georgina Wallace Sim | |
| B: | 3 Jul 1874 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Williamina Sim | |
| B: | 6 May 1876 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 1 Mar 1878 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| William Sim | |
| B: | 13 Apr 1878 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| William Sim | |
| B: | 25 Oct 1841 |
| Pittulie, Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland | |
| D: | 8 Jul 1899 |
| Pittulie, Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland | |
| Isabella Sim (nee Birnie) | |
| B: | 12 Feb 1834 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| M: | 11 Feb 1864 |
| Free Church Of Scotland Rosehearty Pitsligo Aberdeenshire Scotland | |
| D: | 1 Aug 1919 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Alexander Sim | |
| B: | 15 Mar 1840 |
| Pitsligo,Aberdeen,Scotland | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| George Sim | |
| B: | 12 Apr 1798 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 12 Jul 1873 |
| Ann Ritche | |
| B: | 23 Mar 1804 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| M: | 17 Feb 1820 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 11 Sep 1866 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| John Sim | |
| B: | 1802 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Alexander Sim | |
| B: | 7 Feb 1807 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 23 Jan 1863 |
| Pittulie, Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland | |
| James Sim | |
| B: | 9 Sep 1761 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 1850 |
| Christian Anderson | |
| B: | 1761 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| M: | Abt 1790 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 1841 |
| Ann Sim | |
| B: | 1783 |
| D: | 5 Oct 1870 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Christian Sim | |
| B: | 11 Dec 1783 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 14 Dec 1868 |
| Pittulie, Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland | |
| Margaret Sim | |
| B: | 1797 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 14 Nov 1862 |
| Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire,Scotland | |
| Alexander Sim | |
| B: | 4 Apr 1740 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | 8 Oct 1819 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Barbara Mitchell | |
| B: | 1722 |
| Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |
| D: | 5 Jul 1816 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Gilbert SIM | |
| B: | Jul 1744 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| Barbara Noble | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |
| Peter Sim | |
| B: | Abt 1700 |
| Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, United Kingdom | |
| D: | Yes, date unknown |